Break Time, Briefly...

TO: GOD FROM: THE DOG
Dear God: Is it on purpose our names are the same, only reversed?
Dear God: Why do humans smell the flowers, but seldom, if ever, smell one another?
Dear God: When we get to heaven, can we sit on your couch? Or is it still the same old story?
Dear God: Why are there cars named after the jaguar, the cougar, the mustang, the colt, the stingray, and the rabbit, but not ONE named for a Dog? How often do you see a cougar riding around? We do love a nice ride! Would it be so hard to rename the 'Chrysler Eagle' the 'Chrysler Beagle'?
Dear God: If a Dog barks his head off in the forest and no human hears him, is he still a bad Dog?
Dear God: We Dogs can understand human verbal instructions, hand signals, whistles, horns, clickers, beepers, scent ID's, electromagnetic energy fields, and Frisbee flight paths. What do humans understand?
Dear God: Are there mailmen in Heaven? If there are, will I have to apologize?
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Dear God:
Here's a list of just some of the things I will remember to do so I am a good Dog.
I will not eat the cats' food before they eat it or after they throw it up.

The Litter Box is not a cookie jar

The sofa is not a 'face towel'.

I will not play tug-of-war with Dad's underwear when he's on the toilet
Sticking my nose into someone's crotch is an unacceptable way of saying 'hello'.

I must shake the rainwater out of my fur before entering the house - not after.
I will not sit in the middle of the living room and lick my crotch.
The cat is not a 'squeaky toy' so when he makes that noise, it's usually not a good thing.
P.S. Dear God: When I get to Heaven may I have my testicles back?

'Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened'

Break Time, Briefly...

TO: GOD FROM: THE DOG
Dear God: Is it on purpose our names are the same, only reversed?
Dear God: Why do humans smell the flowers, but seldom, if ever, smell one another?
Dear God: When we get to heaven, can we sit on your couch? Or is it still the same old story?

Dear God: Why are there cars named after the jaguar, the cougar, the mustang, the colt, the stingray, and the rabbit, but not ONE named for a Dog? How often do you see a cougar riding around? We do love a nice ride! Would it be so hard to rename the 'Chrysler Eagle' the 'Chrysler Beagle'?

Dear God: If a Dog barks his head off in the forest and no human hears him, is he still a bad Dog?

Dear God: We Dogs can understand human verbal instructions, hand signals, whistles, horns, clickers, beepers, scent ID's, electromagnetic energy fields, and Frisbee flight paths. What do humans understand?

Dear God: Are there mailmen in Heaven? If there are, will I have to apologize?
_________________________________
Dear God:

Here's a list of just some of the things I will remember to do so I am a good Dog.

I will not eat the cats' food before they eat it or after they throw it up.

The Litter Box is not a cookie jar

The sofa is not a 'face towel'.

I will not play tug-of-war with Dad's underwear when he's on the toilet

Sticking my nose into someone's crotch is an unacceptable way of saying 'hello'.

I must shake the rainwater out of my fur before entering the house - not after.

I will not sit in the middle of the living room and lick my crotch.

The cat is not a 'squeaky toy' so when he makes that noise, it's usually not a good thing.
P.S. Dear God: When I get to Heaven may I have my testicles back?

'Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened'

No Kill Is Like Herpes Zoster, Nobody Cares Till They Get Hit With It.

The blogs are full of opinions, and Oreo's is no different....unless you consider informed, different. Had the pleasure of reading Honesty Helps ( see "Rancho Cucamonga Fails" link) How sweet it is to see the truth. I had read "The Winograd Blogspot" and thought, this is like some dread disease, bred in secrecy and spread through ignorance. I am awaiting some word from the county manager, the commission directed staff to check into things. That is a first, so Hope Springs Eternal ! With every arena of the economy heading south; it is difficult to believe some of the inane considerations offered up by the no kill folk. Transport dogs across the country............. The local Exe Dir, the great BB heading to D.C. on a
" Conference "with her buddies..way cool dude.
Seriously, how can a county ( King ) that has been deemed " overcrowded" import dogs? The King County volunteers and staff must be losing their minds. Cody had some good points on the part the no kill leaders play in suffering. We have all been following Austin Texas with the struggle they face with the fixaustin group. How do they sleep at night? Please check out the 990 IRS forms on these non profits and know where your time and money will be going....Why doesn't this guy get a real job and let the animals rest in safety and peace. The thought of what some of these over kenneled animals face on the inside is painful.
Pictured is Oreo's Daddy " Sureman"

The Final Betrayal, Or" Don't It Make Your Brown Eyes Blue ?"

This is an expansion on another post on surrendered pets. Oreo is passionate on the issue !

It's common to see "strays" increase in communities where No Kill has taken hold, but not flourished. The public persona takes the guilt out of dumping, thus promoting the illusion that somebody else cares more than you do about your pet. And, please be aware this blog is painfully concious of the many legitmate reasons a pet may be surrendered. My sister lost her home, fortunately another sister was able to take her and the two pooches and kitties in until they could relocate. I know how much my Sis loves her pets, it meant the world to her to keep her animals with her; but if you don't have a roof...... So we don't judge here at Oreo's, if you have to give up your pal ( even if it's become your pain) it is not our business. We just want to help if we can. One of the reasons we selected the title was because it's the most accurate one we could find.

We hope someday to see a climate that is surrender friendly without encouraging it. Sounds oppositonal, but it isn't. It means quite simply, you know the truth when you surrender, and so does the receiving agency.

All a dog can call its own, is a name and a history.... to strip those and put the animal out is unfair. An already confused pet is stripped of the one familar thing in its world. Some misguided shelters rename a pet anyway......not good. How would you like to be someplace unfamilar and not have a soul to help you connect with your own being, by simply saying your name. No Kill is unfair, unkind and probably right up there with dog fighting for the pain it causes , yet uninformed fools follow the piper.

Please, if you must give up your pet, and we do know sometimes it is unavoidable; give it the dignity it deserves. Even if you end up tying the poor thing to the post at the shelter, give it the one thing it has left, it's identity. Good , bad or indifferent you owe that. Just write a note with the name, the nature of the problem and let the dog get on with it's life. If you are cowardly the animal will spend a stray period and not have a very good chance for a new home.

The best bet is to stare down the intake worker, all the while, spewing the truth until your pet is taken, no lies, just the truth and let the pet have a chance.

Gizzy showing off

A book Review On Redemption, Priss Concurs With The Author , Two Paws Down.

May 13, 2008
By
Amy LewandowskiA no-kill shelter was recently built on 13 wooded acres outside a city near me. The facility has space for 250 animals. A huge budget. Slick marketing. A partnership with a major pet food manufacturer. A variety of innovative programs. 1300 volunteers, 130 foster families and thousands of extremely generous supporters. Last year, 2100 of their animals found new homes. It's the kind of operation Nathan Winograd would call a no-kill success story. And yet the organization admits they cannot accommodate the more than 300 requests they receive weekly from people trying to relinquish their pets to them. Within 15 miles of this beautiful facility are 2 open admission shelters that have to euthanize for space. They have implemented most if not all of the programs Mr. Winograd claims is necessary to achieve no-kill status. But, unlike their no-kill neighbor up the road, these shelters do not turn any animals away. Last year, they took in 21,000 animals! Anyone out there willing to build, staff, operate and fund a no-kill shelter for 21,000 animals? Which brings me to what I found most irritating about Redemption. Nathan Winograd never discusses what I believe is the biggest issue separating the two kinds of shelters- what to do with the staggering number of animals no-kill shelters turn away. He only briefly mentions the necessity of no-kill shelters to "occasionally" limit incoming animals. Where I live, however, no-kill shelters only occasionally accept animals! In fact, I don't know anyone who has been successful getting a stray or their own animal into a no-kill shelter. My point is this: EVERY NO-KILL SHELTER IN THE COUNTRY HAS TO FIRST ACCEPT EVERY ANIMAL BROUGHT TO ITS FACILITY BEFORE WE CAN HAVE ANY HOPE OF ACHIEVING A TRUE NO-KILL NATION. They shouldn't be setting standards for open admission shelters when their very way of operating directly contributes to these shelters having to euthanize for space. The author crows about his success leading an open admission no-kill in a sparsely populated rural part of New York. Note that, last year, Tompkins County SPCA took in less than 3000 animals. His urban success story - the San Francisco SPCA- did not even take animals from the public if I correctly understand their relationship with the SF Animal Care and Control. Last year, the San Francisco SPCA took in less than 4000 animals. When Nathan Winograd can take over an open admission shelter accepting 21,000 animals annually and still make it no-kill, then and only then will I be impressed enough to jump on the Redemption bandwagon. I also did not like that Redemption is full of inflammatory, anonymous and dated remarks that cannot be verified easily because the author does not include footnotes and references you usually see in a piece of nonfiction. Fact checking is limited to a 12 page bibliography. It is a myth that we can somehow save every homeless or unwanted animal without having to first address the disparity between no-kill and 'kill' shelter admission policies and intake numbers. Redemption only gives one side of the story and, unfortunately, the author is promoting it as the whole & balanced picture it isn't. I'm just a little surprised that readers are swallowing his half-truths with such gusto. Dig a little deeper, animal lovers! You can start by asking you favorite no-kill shelter how many animals they turned away this week.
Priss after a long nighttime read..

Part Two Of The Enforcement Dilemma, The Oreo Report.

We have had a few inquiries about who does what, and when. As far as Oreo can determine, using the information we will past below; it seems WCRAS meets the defination of Animal Shelter and is empowered by Washoe County code Chapter 55 to enforce the laws of the state. Thanks for so much guidance pet protector. I hope this is correct in my assumptions and please feel free to let me know if I take a wrong turn. I am also going to contact the persons you mentioned tommorrow. I may do a bit of copy and paste to better show the things we are dealing with presently, but will make certain we get the number of the item. I don't want to take to much out of context, but really want to deal with living conditions on Longley, specifically the non-profit which refuses to be transparent.

55.040 Animal control officer; powers and duties. An animal control officer of the county shall have the following powers and duties: 1. To enforce all provisions of this chapter and all laws of the state relating to the care, treatment, impoundment and Washoe County Code Supplement 9 January 2006

NRS 574.240 “Animal shelter” defined. “Animal shelter” means a facility:
1. For receiving and holding animals;
2. Designated by a local government for receiving and holding animals; or
3. Operated by a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, which is in compliance with the provisions of NRS 574.010 to 574.040, inclusive, for receiving and holding animals. (Added to NRS by 1993, 2145)

NRS 574.290 “Operator” defined. “Operator” means a person responsible for the operation of:
1. A cattery, kennel or commercial establishment engaged in the business of selling animals; or
2. An animal shelter. (Added to NRS by 1993, 2146)

Duties of Operators
NRS 574.360 Buildings and grounds; housing facilities. An operator shall ensure that:
1. The buildings and grounds at all locations where dogs or cats are kept:
(a) Are clean and in good repair; and
(b) Do not become accumulated with trash.
2. Housing facilities:
(a) Are constructed and maintained in such a manner as to:
(1) Protect the dogs or cats inside from injury;
(2) Prevent the dogs or cats inside from escaping; and
(3) Restrict the entrance of other dogs and cats.
(b) Have adequate and reliable sources of electrical power and potable water available. (Added to NRS by 1993, 2147)

NRS 574.220 “Ambient temperature” defined. “Ambient temperature” means the temperature surrounding an animal. (Added to NRS by 1993, 2145)

(c) Provide adequate ventilation at all times to maintain the health and comfort of the dogs or cats inside. The system of ventilation must provide fresh air by means of windows, doors, vents or air-conditioning, and be designed to maintain drafts, odors and the condensation of moisture at a minimum. If the ambient temperature reaches 85 degrees Fahrenheit or greater, air-conditioning, exhaust fans and vents, or other auxiliary ventilation must be provided. (Added to NRS by 1993, 2147)

6. Provide sufficient space for each dog or cat inside to turn about freely and to stand, sit and lie in a comfortable, normal position.
(Added to NRS by 1993, 2148)
NRS 574.400 Floor space of primary enclosure. An operator shall ensure that a primary enclosure in which a dog or cat that is at least 6 months old is kept has a minimum amount of floor space which is calculated by finding the mathematical square of the sum of 6 inches plus the length of the dog or cat measured from the tip of its nose to the base of its tail, and dividing that amount by 144, to arrive at the minimum amount of square footage required for the floor space. (Added to NRS by 1993, 2148)

NRS 574.430 Sanitization. An operator shall ensure that:
1. Insects, ectoparasites and avian, mammalian and reptilian pests are kept under control.
2. Supplies of food and bedding material are stored in facilities that afford adequate protection from infestation or contamination by vermin.
3. Excreta are removed from primary enclosures at least once daily to prevent contamination and to reduce to a minimum odors and the risk of disease. A primary enclosure must be disinfected at least once daily and before placing another dog or cat in the primary enclosure. If a hosing or flushing method of cleaning is used, all dogs and cats must be removed from the primary enclosure and adequate measures must be taken to protect the dogs and cats in other primary enclosures from being contaminated with water and other wastes.
4. Other enclosures are cleaned, washed and disinfected at least once every 2 weeks to prevent any accumulation of debris or excreta and to reduce to a practical minimum substances and organisms injurious to the health of animals or humans.
5. Pens or runs with hard surfaces, and cages and rooms, are sanitized at least once every 2 weeks by:
(a) Washing them with water of a temperature not less than 120 degrees Fahrenheit and with soap or detergent;
(b) Washing all soiled surfaces with a safe and effective disinfectant; or
(c) Cleaning all soiled surfaces with live steam.
6. Pens or runs with gravel, sand or dirt surfaces are cleaned as often as necessary by removing and replacing the soiled gravel, sand or dirt.
7. Sewage, solid wastes, soiled bedding, dead animals and debris are removed from housing facilities regularly and disposed of properly.
8. Facilities for disposal are maintained in such a manner as to reduce to a minimum odors and the risk of disease or infestation by vermin.
9. Adequate facilities, such as washrooms, basins or sinks, are provided for the cleanliness of persons handling animals.
(Added to NRS by 1993, 2149)
NRS 574.440 Program to control disease and care for health. An operator shall, with the approval of a veterinarian, establish and maintain a program to control disease and care for the health of dogs and cats. As part of this program, an operator shall ensure that:
1. Each dog and cat is observed daily by the person directly responsible for its care, or by someone else under that person’s direct supervision. 2. Blind, lame, injured, ill or diseased dogs and cats are provided with the appropriate veterinary care that is consistent with the purposes for which a dog or cat is being kept or humanely euthanized.

Oreo had serious concerns about the length of time the cats are kept in " rooms" not meant for live storage, ventilation is a biggie, the general crowding and overflow issues. The animals already exceed anticipated numbers and this needs to be checked and supervised.

Pictured is Oreo at her retirement party..

More About The Good Life

Saturday Morning Musings, Priss's Turn

Saturdays are the hanging out in bed morn; it's our time to think about the good in life. Lately we have been deep in sadness and it is time to come up for air. Always when my husband goes to work the guys climb on up. We have one of those tall beds where you need the little stool to get up, they can do that. It is really fun to wake up under the fur balls. Priss the baby girl is the most cuddly and she is only 120 at the moment so when she flops over my chest I can still breath, Oreo being the Grand Dam' stretches horiziontally across Dad's pillows making sure her nose touchs mine. Priss seems to realize anything sticking out from the covers belongs to Oreo. Even tho' 115 is big to some folks, Oreo seems delicate and petite . We call her the Girlydog because of her coy ways. Winsome would be a good word too. Burley Dog just claims the rest of the bed, and at 190 he pretty well fills it up. This is a delightful way to start the day as we all stretch and yawn, they wait while I come back to bed with coffee and toast.
We all need time to stop and see the good in the world around us, and there is plenty of that. Priss met a lady at Washington Park who have never seen a Newfoundland before, and Priss had never heard a German accent before, so instead of playing with the lady's pooch, Priss sat right in front and listened to every word that came out of her mouth. The lady was visiting from San Francisco and had come up for Hot August Nights. She truly loved our mountains and hospitality, the fact that our sky was blue seemed to impress her too, very nice woman.
As the talk turned to her little dog ( a cocker mix, Sharon) the conversation became serious. The little ( Parti? ) cocker had been her neighbors dog, when the neighbor passed away the dog became ownerless and was looking at shelter time. Greta decided to keep her. Often seniors have a pet, their kids have pets of their own and don't or can't take the parents pet. It was wonderful to have a happy ending. Residing in the Bay area had given her a first hand look at the SF/SPCA under the brief leadership of the No KIll Advocacy fiasco. She had volunteered under that leadership and seen the wreckage first hand. It was sure an eye opener for me. All the second hand stuff we hear through the rumor mills, confirmed. She currently volunteers at an open admission shelter. She said it is not so depressing as one might think, the dogs are well cared for and many have come from the streets and this may be the first care they have experienced; first loving touch, first food they didn't have to fight for. She works 4 hours a day three days a week She is a retired Veterinarian and works in the E room. It is somehow good to know that caring people like her are there in the final moments. Priss adored her and the little cocker had a glow that spoke of a good life. If we each do what we can where we can, we will get the animal mess cleaned up....
For us, breakfast was good, the crusts were shared, now it is time to go to the park and find a new friend. the Chukkar and the Quail are covering the hillside this morn and in August it almost feels like autmn. For those new to the blog; Priss got a rough start in life and by the time she came to live with us at six months she had been in three homes. We are very gratful to the wonderful breeder who did a home follow up and drove across states to bring her back. we adopted her and one year later she is the light of the neighborhood. Sometimes even with all the checking, people don't know what they are buying, and things go wrong. thank God these dear owners contacted the breeder and it worked out well. Below is an article about the flagship " no kill" shelter as it is existing currently.

August 8, 2007 News
Overcrowding at the SPCA The Tompkins County SPCA has too many animals to handle. The organization slashed adoption fees in half, still they have a problem. There are dozens more dogs at the SPCA than normal. People who run the shelter say this summer has been a lot busier than past seasons.
The SPCA's Executive Director has been scrambling to get the word out. Abigail Smith says they have twice as many cats there than normal, with a grand total of nearly 450 cats. Smith says, "The only thing worse really would be an outbreak of some kind. God forbid that doesn't happen but being over capacity is tough. It's stressful on the animals that are here."
The SPCA has come up with creative ways to handle the extra animals. Some pets are in the kitchen. Others are in the laundry room. Adoption fees have now been cut in half: it's now $75 for a dog and $50 for a cat.
Because of the overcrowding, the SPCA in Ithaca had to close for several days recently to catch up on the work. And anyone who wants to drop off a pet has to do it by appointment only.
The above article was sent to me with the wrong date, my apologies; the typo missed my attention. I have corrected the error.
Is it true our no kill shelter (NHS) killed sixteen longterm dogs yesterday ? A crying lady with a pitbull gave me that info at the Rancho this morn; if it is, will Mark put it on his blog?


Pictured is our Miss Priss, of course on the bed.....

Oreo Found This On SPCA Site, Please Share Your Thoughts

What is "No Kill"
To answer this, it is helpful to decide what the term "no kill" means to you:
Does "no kill" mean that no animal is ever euthanized?
Does "no kill" mean that no adoptable animal is euthanized?
How is adoptable defined?
Is the East Bay SPCA a "No Kill" Shelter?
The East Bay SPCA does not euthanize for space or for time. We do not euthanize what we determine are adoptable animals.
We will euthanize when an animal requires medical treatment that goes beyond our ability to humanely provide, or has a condition that puts other shelter animals or workers at risk.
We will also choose euthanasia when an animal has negative behaviors, such as unmanageable aggression towards other dogs, or aggression towards people that goes beyond our ability to correct, especially if that behavior presents a safety concern to a potential adopter or to the community.
We do not feel it is responsible to place a dangerous animal in the community. We also do not feel it is responsible to imply that we would.
There are few organizations with the money and facilities to keep an animal that is ill or unsafe around people. In fact, keeping such animals while thousands of healthy, adoptable animals are killed because there is no place to keep them could be considered an unconscionable decision.
While "no kill" is a popular phrase in today's animal welfare environment, we do not find its use responsible. We discourage the use of the phrase "no kill." It hides the problem. We instead want to be very clear to our community what our choices are and how our decisions are made.
How does the East Bay SPCA reduce the euthanasia of dogs and cats in the community?
No shelter in one community works in a vacuum. Our efforts are reflected in each other's animal population. The East Bay SPCA is a private facility. When we run out of room, we have the luxury of closing our doors until the animals we have are adopted. We could reduce euthanasia in our shelter to zero if we did not euthanize any animals, regardless of health or behavior. However, we would quickly become full, and unable to accept animals from other shelters, since the animals here would never be placed in homes.
Public shelters, with an obligation to the city or county that funds them, do not have that luxury. When public shelters are full they have no choice but to euthanize even adoptable animals to make space for those incoming. Public shelters rely on us and other private shelters or rescue groups to take in adoptable animals and keep their population low enough to avoid euthanizing.
What about rehabilitating animals?
We work extremely hard with the limited resources we have to extend medical services. Our public veterinary clinic subsidizes the medical care we provide to shelter animals. As a result, many conditions that would doom the life of a dog or cat in another shelter can be treated here.
We perform amputations when needed, remove tumors, set broken limbs, and often can treat contagious conditions like mange or ringworm, all on animals that were otherwise adoptable, in order to save their life and ensure they wind up in a home.
We work diligently to provide training and behavior modification to dogs, including those with problems. Every attempt is made to work with a dog's negative behaviors to reach a manageable stage. Perhaps with limitations, that dog can be safely placed in a home. This is not always possible but the decision to euthanize comes only after considerable effort, and with the support from staff.
Similarly, cats displaying dangerous behaviors or problems such as not using the litter box, are not just turned over to a new owner "as is." We work with these animals in the shelter or in foster homes to determine if the problem can be "fixed." If it can't be fixed, euthanasia is a humane alternative.
"I don't support euthanasia, so how can I support you?"
We don't support euthanasia either, but until a community has a home for every dog and cat, it will inevitably occur--somewhere. Euthanasia is not the fault of any shelter, public or private. The fault belongs to people who do not support spay and neuter or practice responsible pet ownership. As long as there are owners who abuse or neglect animals, who casually discard animals, or who allow unaltered pets to run free, there will be dedicated shelter workers performing humane euthanasia.
By supporting the East Bay SPCA, you are supporting your community. We look at the entire community as our problem--not just the animals in our shelter! If there are homeless, adoptable animals anywhere in our community being euthanized, we have not yet succeeded. We cannot justify keeping unadoptable or potentially dangerous animals kenneled or caged for the rest of their lives while thousands of adoptable ones are euthanized elsewhere in our community. Even if we aren't the ones doing it.
We have chosen the solution that allows us to save the most animals in our community, instead of just the few we can shelter in our own facilities. If you would like to comment on this statement, or have any questions, please send us an email to info@eastbayspca.org
Pictured is Oreo, as she sits on the daybed in the computer room, she seems to be such a part of the office. And very involved in the work....

The Following Links Are No Buffalo Chips

https://community.hsus.org/sheltering_hsu/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=26077095

This magazine is a continuing source of rock solid information directly from the front lines of sheltering. It offers solulutions that work in the sheltering community today. Until we get a spay/nueter and serious public information program in place ; life is going to be hard on the critters.

There is some much BS going on today with false promises that can't be kept and of course, all that just pulls us away from the needed help. Stop with the cheerleading and start with maintaining a sustainable shelter level, even if it means euthanasia. There are caring people in the shelter industry, they need support, not constant criticism. Pony up and help the situation get better,

Welcome To Our Newest Member On Oreo's Links

Honesty Helps has started a blog, a must read according to Oreo. Honesty was a contributor here under a different moniker and another supporter of a compassionate community through Education and Spay/Nueter. I think you will find the intelligent writing coupled with years of experience a refreshing read.

We have learned that not being No Kill allows us to look at the welfare of the animal first. Of course we all of look forward to the day that every animal has a loving home, or is not born into this world to be abused. But until that can happen we need to give loving responsible care to animals we are in charge of.

They cannot speak for themselves, but we can peek into their world a bit if we try. The world of a shelter animal is about the same irregardless of status. animals don't sweat the mortage payment, they don't care about the name on the door.

The most important thing for the shelter animal is positive stimulation. They live for that, without it, they go crazy. There is an obligation not to take the easy way out and grab for the first snake oil salesman. Shoving living animals in every corner with no social life is cruel, can we " own that" and quit trying to kid ourselves. Every no kill shelter Oreo has researched has lost all of it's civility and services. They become the big box store for helpless animals, unfortuanately with about the same return policy. Sorry for the rant..

Pictured is Bodie's littermate, these are the two we are able to say survived life in a filthy puppy mill. After two friends of Oreo's went out to look at the pups and came to the same conclusion, Washoe Animal Control was contacted. Through their diligence the appropriate agency was notified and for now the mill is closed. The remaining dogs were removed and two years later it hasn't started up.